Palin gone rogue, says McCain aide

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:01 pm

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Yeah but, can it top dinosaurs?

I don't got anything against McCain or how he wants to run the country, he makes much sense to me, so does Obama.

Frankly i don't think its that much of a difference between them, really.

But Palin.......nah, shes just crazy.

Fact Check:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/newsquotes.asp

She never made the Dinosaur comment there chief... Back to the Gaffe comparison.. You want to go down that road with Biden?

Yeah i know it wasn't really real in that context, but lets roll the baiden train!

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:16 pm

Trubaduren wrote:

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Yeah but, can it top dinosaurs?

I don't got anything against McCain or how he wants to run the country, he makes much sense to me, so does Obama.

Frankly i don't think its that much of a difference between them, really.

But Palin.......nah, shes just crazy.

Fact Check:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/newsquotes.asp

She never made the Dinosaur comment there chief... Back to the Gaffe comparison.. You want to go down that road with Biden?

Yeah i know it wasn't really real in that context, but lets roll the baiden train!

okedoke...

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/politics/4301-list-biden-gaffes.html
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/raw-data-list-biden-gaffes/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/bidens-gaffes-12284920/
http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/10/02/palin-versus-biden-where-were-the-gaffes/

Biden at his best

1. Forced Down by Terrorists?

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where (Usama) bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are," Biden said at a campaign stop in Baltimore last week.

Sen. John Kerry, however, set the record straight, telling the Associated Press that the helicopter was "forced down" by a snowstorm.

"It went pretty blind, pretty fast and we were around some pretty dangerous ridges," Kerry said. "So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down there, and we all agreed."

2. FDR Did What?

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed," Biden told the CBS Evening News on Sept. 22.

But Herbert Hoover was president in October 1929 when the stock market crashed. FDR wasn't elected until 1932, and television made its debut a decade later, in 1939.

3. That's a Terrible Ad!

When asked by CBS on Sept. 22 how he felt about an Obama campaign ad that made fun of John McCain's inability to use a computer, Biden replied that he thought it was "terrible."

"I didn't know we did it," he said, adding that he wouldn't have approved the ad, but defended Obama's decision to approve it. "The answer is I don't think anything was intentional about that. They were trying to make another point," he said.

4. Working in Coal Mine

"Hope you won't hold it against me, but I am a hard coal miner -- anthracite coal, Scranton, Pennsylvania, that's where I was born and raised," Biden said to mine workers in Virginia on Sept. 20.

While his great-grandfather was a mining engineer, his father ran a Delaware car dealership and worked in the oil business. His campaign tried to spin the comments as a joke.

5. "No Coal Plants in America!"

On Sept. 17 at a campaign stop in Maumee, Ohio, Biden told an environmentalist that the Democrats don't support clean coal. "We're not supporting clean coal," he said.

But they do. Obama said his administration will "enter into public private partnerships to develop five 'first-of-a-kind' commercial scale coal-fired plants with clean carbon capture and sequestration technology."

Biden had criticized China for building "two dirty coal plants" every week and polluting the United States. "No coal plants in America," he said. "If they're going to build them over there, make them clean, because they're killing you."

6. He Should Have Picked Hillary

At a campaign stop in Nashua, N.H., on Sept. 10, Biden said Obama may have been better off had he picked Hillary Clinton to be his running mate.

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight," he said. "She's a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She's easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate."

7. You in the Wheelchair, Get Up!

On the campaign train in Columbia, Mo., on Sept. 9, Biden asked State Sen. Chuck Graham to stand up for the crowd. "Stand up Chuck let me see you," Biden said to Graham, who is in a wheelchair. "Oh, God love you, what I am talking about. You're making everybody else stand up though, aren't you pal." Biden then asked everyone in the room to stand up for Graham.

8. Whose Campaign is it Anyway?

On Aug. 23, after Obama announced that he had chosen the Delaware senator as his running mate, Biden slipped and called him "Barack America."

On Sept. 3 at a campaign stop in Fort Myers, Fla., Biden referred to the future "Biden Administration," which he quickly corrected to an "Obama-Biden Administration."

"Believe me, that wasn't a Freudian slip," Biden said. "Oh Lordy day, I tell ya."

9. Shot at Seven Times in Iraq?

Biden said in a CNN/YouTube debate on July 23, 2007, that he was shot at seven times inside Iraq's Green Zone.

Two weeks later, however, he amended his story, telling The Hill newspaper, "I was near where a shot landed." He said a shot landed outside the building in the Green Zone where he and another senator spent the night in December 2005. While they were shaving in the morning, the building shook.

"No one got up and ran from the room-it wasn't that kind of thing," Biden told the Hill. "It's not like I had someone holding a gun to my head."

10. So Fresh and So Clean

When talking about his eventual running mate when they were still competing for the Democratic presidential nomination in January 2007, Biden blundered when talking about Sen. Barack Obama to the New York Observer.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

He quickly retracted the statement, explaining, "Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that the Democratic or Republican Party has produced at least since I've been around," he said in a conference call a few days later. "And he's fresh. He's new. He's smart. He's insightful. And I really regret that some have taken totally out of context my use of the world 'clean.'"

11. Biden on Race

In June 2006, at the outset of a run for the presidency, Biden joked on camera, "You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

When the video hit YouTube the next month, Biden's office defended him, saying, "The point Senator Biden was making is that there has been a vibrant Indian-American community in Delaware for decades."

12. Grandson of a Coal Miner?

Bidents 1988 presidential bid imploded when it was revealed he was lifting parts of his stump speech -- and parts of his supposed family history -- from a speech given by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock.

Biden said he was the first in his family to go to college. He wasn't. He said he was the grandson of a coal miner who "would come up [from the mines] after 12 hours and play football."

While Biden did attribute statements to Kinnock several times, in a Democratic debate at the Iowa State Fair on Aug. 23, 1987, he didn't give Kinnock credit when he plagiarized his speech. It was also revealed that Biden plagiarized a paper in law school. That tape kicked off the controversy that sunk his campaign.

http://zerosheep.com/2008/10/03/bidens-debate-gaffes-lies#comment-50

Joe Biden’s 14 Lies

TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:06 pm

Hehe, hes an ass, and i digg him for it ^^

He knows how to handle this publicly, though.

Still Biden big time > Palin. Im pretty sure hes 1000 times better suited for the job than palin.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:13 pm

Trubaduren wrote:

Hehe, hes an ass, and i digg him for it ^^

He knows how to handle this publicly, though.

Still Biden big time > Palin. Im pretty sure hes 1000 times better suited for the job than palin.

based on?

He is a U.S. Senator = Legislative Branch

She is a Former Mayor and Govenor of a state = Executive Branch

To date, comparing the 2 side by side, she has more Executive Experiance than he does.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:17 pm

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Hehe, hes an ass, and i digg him for it ^^

He knows how to handle this publicly, though.

Still Biden big time > Palin. Im pretty sure hes 1000 times better suited for the job than palin.

based on?

He is a U.S. Senator = Legislative Branch

She is a Former Mayor and Govenor of a state = Executive Branch

To date, comparing the 2 side by side, she has more Executive Experiance than he does.

Sarah Palin.

No.

No.

I dont want her near nuke codes, really.

And hes got alot of experience, she has 2 years and well, thats not much. And i find her personality very disturbing. I dont think shes good for the U.S, imo.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:21 pm

Trubaduren wrote:

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Hehe, hes an ass, and i digg him for it ^^

He knows how to handle this publicly, though.

Still Biden big time > Palin. Im pretty sure hes 1000 times better suited for the job than palin.

based on?

He is a U.S. Senator = Legislative Branch

She is a Former Mayor and Govenor of a state = Executive Branch

To date, comparing the 2 side by side, she has more Executive Experiance than he does.

Sarah Palin.

No.

No.

I dont want her near nuke codes, really.

And hes got alot of experience, she has 2 years and well, thats not much. And i find her personality very disturbing. I dont think shes good for the U.S, imo.

and again back to the comparison..

she has more EXECUTIVE experiance than Biden has, which is whats used in the EXECUTIVE branch of our government Very Happy

If you don't like her due to personal reason thats cool.. We all do that.. Comparing her to biden though, in executive terms, she is more experienced than he is.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:26 pm

Well, lets talk political experience allaround.

Biden has far more experience than her, and i dont think those 2 years will make her a better leader than biden would, during his whole life 30 years? as a politican.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:35 pm

Trubaduren wrote:

Well, lets talk political experience allaround.

Biden has far more experience than her, and i dont think those 2 years will make her a better leader than biden would, during his whole life 30 years? as a politican.

So much for the "change America Needs" from the Obama campaign by using a Washington Insider. Biden has accomplished as much as Obama has, and has been in the Senate Longer..

That says soemthing.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:39 pm

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Well, lets talk political experience allaround.

Biden has far more experience than her, and i dont think those 2 years will make her a better leader than biden would, during his whole life 30 years? as a politican.

So much for the "change America Needs" from the Obama campaign by using a Washington Insider. Biden has accomplished as much as Obama has, and has been in the Senate Longer..

That says soemthing.

No it doenst say anything, and i agree on that. But hes well, not stupid imo.

I just think he would do a better job.

Smile

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:50 pm

Trubaduren wrote:

Xcathdra wrote:

Trubaduren wrote:

Well, lets talk political experience allaround.

Biden has far more experience than her, and i dont think those 2 years will make her a better leader than biden would, during his whole life 30 years? as a politican.

So much for the "change America Needs" from the Obama campaign by using a Washington Insider. Biden has accomplished as much as Obama has, and has been in the Senate Longer..

That says soemthing.

No it doenst say anything, and i agree on that. But hes well, not stupid imo.

I just think he would do a better job.

Smile

Fair enough.. your decision to support Biden is based on your perception Palin is stupid.. Sound Politics Very Happy

kind of reminds me of Dark Helemet:

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.

Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:56 pm

Indeed

Well, I guess it would say "more stupid than biden" Very Happy

which makes biden stupid as well, or well stupid isnt perhaps the word, clumphsy?

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:17 am

I ... that is ... omylord .....

Quote:

In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html

Do I have this right? She thinks the First Amendment exists to protect politicians from a free press?

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:29 am

Lmao.

IMO, Ron paul seems to be the only guy who has a grip on the situation, and he is the only one who thinks war is WRONG.

Ron Paul bitch slapped McCain in the prenups, and still McCain turned out to be the republican candidate.

Obama: Keep the imperialism

McCain: Keep the imperialism

Palin: Retard

Biden: Knows how to rape the constitution as fast as possible

Ron Paul: Might not be right all the time, but seriousley he does care about the people instead of what the heck is going on in Korea for exampel, and it looks like you need to spend cash in the U.S than outside of it.

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:40 am

Louis Wu wrote:

I ... that is ... omylord .....

Quote:

In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html

Do I have this right? She thinks the First Amendment exists to protect politicians from a free press?

Yeah this is right up there with the cease and desist order the Obama campaign sent to the NRA to try and froce them tos top running negative ads about him and the 2nd amendment.